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H.R. 4285, The Pechanga Band of Luiseno Mission Indians Water Rights Settlement Act (124 comments ↓)
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H.R. 4285 would authorize the Pechanga Band of Luiseno Mission Indians Water Rights Settlement.
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hunter family
September 15, 2010, 4:47pm (report abuse)
Pechanga has disenrolled members from the tribe so they could get more money from the casino. pechanga even hired an expert Dr John Johnson to determan if they met the standerds to be members. his findings were yes. know these family that are direct desendents of a origenal allottee and live on that allottment are being illegaly violated again. let the disinrolled alottees have a say in this prosses
Original Pechanga
September 15, 2010, 6:38pm (report abuse)
Those who have been disenrolled and denied membership include many allottees that would be adversely affected by the Acts as they provide that the very officials who have stripped or denied the allottees of rights set forth in tribal and federal law shall be responsible for satisfying the very same allottees’ entitlement to water.
Additionally, the Acts fails to provide adequate protections for allottees against future abuses by Pechanga tribal officials in the settlement and allocation of their rights under the Acts. Stronger safeguards and greater penalties are needed to deter tribal officials from once again taking or denying ownership rights vested in allottees and others who may have rights under the settlement agreement and the Acts.
Additionally, the Acts fails to provide adequate protections for allottees against future abuses by Pechanga tribal officials in the settlement and allocation of their rights under the Acts. Stronger safeguards and greater penalties are needed to deter tribal officials from once again taking or denying ownership rights vested in allottees and others who may have rights under the settlement agreement and the Acts.
Madeline
September 16, 2010, 11:30am (report abuse)
You as representatives MUST make yourselves aware of what is going on in Indian Country. Sovereign nations like Pechanga, which treat their people badly, should be treated like, say, South Africa. They have the sovereign right to abuse their people, to strip them of voting rights, tribal health care, educational assistance and per capita. They have the right to engorge themselves on the stolen per capita.
YOU as representative have the right an obligation NOT to reward said tribes with: Land into trust and total control over water rights.
YOU have an obligation to stand up for the abused,NOT the abusers.
Check out tribalcorruption.com or Original Pechanga's blog for more about the abuses.
YOU as representative have the right an obligation NOT to reward said tribes with: Land into trust and total control over water rights.
YOU have an obligation to stand up for the abused,NOT the abusers.
Check out tribalcorruption.com or Original Pechanga's blog for more about the abuses.
Concerned Temecula Citizen
September 16, 2010, 12:02pm (report abuse)
Elected representatives, please know that as of 2006 Pechanga disenrolled an extended family from the tribal rolls. This family has many members who still live on the Pechanga reservation on allotted land. This bill needs to address these Indians who no longer hold membership status, but hold rights to these allotted lands.
As of today this family has no say in tribal communications, voting rights, land uses and lives under constant fear that this current council will continue to deny these Indians rights. Pechanga has no legal forum for this extended family to be heard. Please investigate and act appropriately. The current Pechanga chairman has mislead congress on land transfers and has lied to it's intended uses. Please take into account allotted Indians living on the reservation who have been denied rights that other citizens enjoy.
As of today this family has no say in tribal communications, voting rights, land uses and lives under constant fear that this current council will continue to deny these Indians rights. Pechanga has no legal forum for this extended family to be heard. Please investigate and act appropriately. The current Pechanga chairman has mislead congress on land transfers and has lied to it's intended uses. Please take into account allotted Indians living on the reservation who have been denied rights that other citizens enjoy.
Cali79
September 16, 2010, 12:13pm (report abuse)
Pechanga abuses power at every turn. There is no way they will maintain the water rights for people who have lived there their whole lives but that Pechanga deems unworthy of membership. More on Pechanga's corruption here:
http://www.laweekly.com/2008-01-03/news/tribal-flush-pechanga-people-disenrolled-en-masse&page=1/
http://www.laweekly.com/2008-01-03/news/tribal-flush-pechanga-people-disenrolled-en-masse&page=1/
Pechanga Allottee
September 16, 2010, 12:31pm (report abuse)
Please vote no on this settlement, until Pechanga does the right thing. They unlawfully disenrolled an entire extended family that has an allotment on the Pechanga Reservation. Pechanga enrollment committee hired a renowned anthropologist and ignored his findings.
read article here
http://www.originalpechanga.com/2010/06/pechanga-tribes-termination-committee.html
read article here
http://www.originalpechanga.com/2010/06/pechanga-tribes-termination-committee.html
T. Oneil
September 16, 2010, 12:36pm (report abuse)
I've been following whats been going on over at Pechanga. This is an obvious case of abuse of power! This corrupt council needs to be stopped!!!!
Richard Cuevas
September 16, 2010, 12:39pm (report abuse)
Pechanga Chairman Mark Macarro has lied to Congress before, gaining land into trust, telling Congress that there were no development plans for the land because of cultural issues.
Well, now there is a golf course on that land, and Macarro's brother explained it as a "zoning change".
Macarro told the tribe that "all means all" when the tribe voted to halt all disenrollments, but he and his council majority terminated 25% of the tribe.
Do you believe him NOW, when he says that they will treat alottees fairly? Our family has had land there since the reservation was created. His council has many who have no land.
Stand up for what is right. And after you vote NO on this bill, continue to press Nick Rahall to hold an oversight hearing into the Indian Civil Rights Act, as Rep. Mike Thompson has requested.
THANK YOU for doing the right thing. Vote NO on this bill
Well, now there is a golf course on that land, and Macarro's brother explained it as a "zoning change".
Macarro told the tribe that "all means all" when the tribe voted to halt all disenrollments, but he and his council majority terminated 25% of the tribe.
Do you believe him NOW, when he says that they will treat alottees fairly? Our family has had land there since the reservation was created. His council has many who have no land.
Stand up for what is right. And after you vote NO on this bill, continue to press Nick Rahall to hold an oversight hearing into the Indian Civil Rights Act, as Rep. Mike Thompson has requested.
THANK YOU for doing the right thing. Vote NO on this bill
Say no
September 16, 2010, 12:40pm (report abuse)
Pechanga is lawless, they have no tribal court system and the current council has denied life long members due process. Pechanga was set aside for the use of the Temecula Indians, unfortunately the Pechanga band has denied access to the reservation to some Temecula Indians and holds land rights over the heads of allotted Indians. ICRA (Indian Civil Rights Act) fails to insure an enforceable clause for these acts. Vote no until Congress addresses this issue.
W. Pederson
September 16, 2010, 12:48pm (report abuse)
Pechanga has alotted Indians who have been stripped of their tribal affiliation by power hungry people. The courts have failed to hear the concerns, and says they feel there is unjust here, but do not have the authority to act. Congress has the authority and should protect these Indians from this heavy handed council that represents Pechanga. Vote no, and ask for the hearings on the ICRA (Indian civil rights act).
Orphans
September 16, 2010, 12:53pm (report abuse)
Chairman Macarro uses tribal assets, like their security force, to enforce his own personal agenda. He has blocked communication to support his unethical decisions. He has engaged in threating and malicious behavior, which is unprofessional for a chairman. The council is either absent or hushed. The Tribe should not be allowed to control the assets of individuals, particularly when the land is entrusted individually, not to the Tribe itself.
Temcula citizen
September 16, 2010, 1:01pm (report abuse)
All Settlements are for the use and benefit of the Temecula Indians. Not a special subset of Indians calling themselves the Pechanga Band. The current chairman has over seen the denial of Allotted citizenship issues and access to areas on the Pechanga reservation. The current council should not be allowed to oversee this import trust responsibility. This bill clearly mentions Allotted Indians in it's language, and this bill should not pass until these allotted Indians rights are restored. Vote no
B. Vasquez
September 16, 2010, 1:30pm (report abuse)
Vote NO! How is it that Allotted Indians do no meet the requirments for membership? That casino sits on trust land for the benefit of the Pechanga reservation, land held in trust for the benefit of all Temecula Indians. Vote no until this important matter is resolved.
asurvivor1
September 16, 2010, 1:31pm (report abuse)
Pechanga Tribal Council disregarded all facts and without a semblence of due process, and with bias and malice, kicked out 100's of legitimate Pechanga members for their own (and family members) monetary benefit,leaving many of the kicked out members (including teminally ill, elderly, childen, single moms) without any healthcare. Do you really want these scoundrels to yield more power? Vote NO!!
Kent
September 16, 2010, 1:58pm (report abuse)
I am a descendant of Pechanga Indian allottee Paulina Hunter and we own allotment 62 on the Pechanga reservation and while we were disenrolled from the tribe in 2006 it is undisputed that our land patent as Temecula Indians is valid. The Pechanga government said that Pechanga is a subset of the Temecula Indians and while we maintain we are part of that subset, regardless we are still Temecula Indians. So the Pechanga tribe should not have sole jurisdiction over water rights and associated funds as the reservation was set aside for the Temecula tribe and village of Indians by Presidential executive orders in 1882 and 1893.
We were disenrolled from our tribe without due process of law and a part of our joint heritage, the Great Oak Ranch, was developed without our permission after the tribe promised to do no changes to it whatsoever.
The Pechanga water acts need to be defeated unless, apart from Pechanga jurisdition, our water rights are assured.
We were disenrolled from our tribe without due process of law and a part of our joint heritage, the Great Oak Ranch, was developed without our permission after the tribe promised to do no changes to it whatsoever.
The Pechanga water acts need to be defeated unless, apart from Pechanga jurisdition, our water rights are assured.
Kent
September 16, 2010, 2:12pm (report abuse)
Below are exerpts from the congressional record April 17, 2002 of Pechanga chairman Mark Macarro promising not to change the Great Oak Ranch property
“Mr. Hayworth. Thank you Mr. Avery.
Chairman Macarro, does the Pechanga tribe have any plans for development of any kind on the Great Oak Ranch property?
Mr. Macarro. No, we don’t. As stated in our application to Interior/BIA, we stated or have designated there is no change of use in the property, and the intended use and purpose is to preserve and protect the resources that are there.
Mr Hayworth. Without objection, we would welcome that.
Just one follow-up, and for our purposes of the record, Mr. Chairman, does the tribe plan to use the Great Oak Ranch for gaming purposes or any purposes other than what you just outlined?
Mr Macarro. No, the tribe does not.”
Here is a link to the full testimony.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_house_hearings&docid=f:78759.wais
“Mr. Hayworth. Thank you Mr. Avery.
Chairman Macarro, does the Pechanga tribe have any plans for development of any kind on the Great Oak Ranch property?
Mr. Macarro. No, we don’t. As stated in our application to Interior/BIA, we stated or have designated there is no change of use in the property, and the intended use and purpose is to preserve and protect the resources that are there.
Mr Hayworth. Without objection, we would welcome that.
Just one follow-up, and for our purposes of the record, Mr. Chairman, does the tribe plan to use the Great Oak Ranch for gaming purposes or any purposes other than what you just outlined?
Mr Macarro. No, the tribe does not.”
Here is a link to the full testimony.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_house_hearings&docid=f:78759.wais
Kent
September 16, 2010, 2:25pm (report abuse)
Needless to say the track record of the Pechanga tribe regarding looking out for our rights and of being good stewards of our joint heritage, namely the Great Oak Ranch which Chairman Macarro described in his testimony to congress on April 17, 2002 as irreplacable resources of the Luiseno people, which we as Temecula Indians are still a part of, has not been very good.
How were our rights of due process denied? Among other violations, the tribal council under Mr. Macarro allowed close family members of witnesses against our family during our disenrollments to sit in judgement of our case which is a clear violation of the equal protection clause in the Band's own constitution and bylaws under Article V which forbids malice or prejudice of tribal members.
So how can they be counted on to deal fairly regarding our water rights?
So, again, they should not have sole jurisidition over our water resources and associated funds.
How were our rights of due process denied? Among other violations, the tribal council under Mr. Macarro allowed close family members of witnesses against our family during our disenrollments to sit in judgement of our case which is a clear violation of the equal protection clause in the Band's own constitution and bylaws under Article V which forbids malice or prejudice of tribal members.
So how can they be counted on to deal fairly regarding our water rights?
So, again, they should not have sole jurisidition over our water resources and associated funds.
Kent
September 16, 2010, 2:38pm (report abuse)
I meant to say that Pechanga should not have jurisdiction over our water rights not sole jurisdiction.
After all, they are the ones who said there were two groups of Indians on the Pechanga reservation so now they get to have control over our resources?
After all, they are the ones who said there were two groups of Indians on the Pechanga reservation so now they get to have control over our resources?
Temecula Indian
September 16, 2010, 2:50pm (report abuse)
One question that Congress should be asking is:
Since it was the TEMECULA Indians that were recognized, how is it now that the PECHANGA Indians are federally recognized without going through the process again?
Hmmmm?
Since it was the TEMECULA Indians that were recognized, how is it now that the PECHANGA Indians are federally recognized without going through the process again?
Hmmmm?
Concerned Temecula Citizen
September 16, 2010, 3:03pm (report abuse)
Great question. Federal recognition is “Temecula Band of Mission Indians” sometimes referred to as the Pechanga Band. Now a group of people are strong holding of land acquisitions and now water rights under the Pechanga Band. They are not recognizing the Temecula Indians anymore. How did this happen. Congress do not let the smooth talking chairman tell you any different. Allotted Indians of Pechanga should have the same rights as a subset of Indians on this reservation. We know you still federally recognize the Temecula Indians, please protect their rights.
Alarmed
September 16, 2010, 3:46pm (report abuse)
Vote no, until Congress brings allottees to the table. Chairman Macarro does not represent all allotted Indians of Pechanga. Please hold Hearings on this sensitive issue.
Weebork
September 16, 2010, 4:00pm (report abuse)
I have good friends who are Pechanga and have been disenrolled and denied membership because they disagree politically with the Pechanga leadership. I urge a vote of "No" until the latter return to their senses. They should not be rewarded for bad behavior.
concerned II
September 16, 2010, 4:02pm (report abuse)
Vote NO! This tribal council is a bunch of theives who have stolen from members of my family by disenrolling them from the tribe so they can keep tribal gaming money for themselves. Now they are trying to get sole control of water rights to force them from their land. Vote NO. these people are criminals by their own laws and have no honor. they will stop at nothing to control all the gaming money from the Pechanga casino
canyonman0072
September 16, 2010, 4:12pm (report abuse)
Representatives, Marc Maccaro as chair of the Temecula Band of Luiseño Mission Indians for the past decade and a half has lied to congress, overseen the removal of 25% of enrolled [adult] tribal members, banished individuals from the reservation who have a rightful place in the tribe, and spearheaded a Moratorium on enrollment for entire families that have allotted land on the reservation.
Maccaro has been documented in trivializing our plight by saying “if there was a cornfield instead of a casino these challenges would have taken the same path to the same conclusion” Documentary by KNBC news LA in a segment called “Without a Tribe” http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/Pechanga_Membership_Battle_Los_Angeles.html
Find out more at:
originalpechanga.com
tribalcorruption.com
pechanga.info
Maccaro has been documented in trivializing our plight by saying “if there was a cornfield instead of a casino these challenges would have taken the same path to the same conclusion” Documentary by KNBC news LA in a segment called “Without a Tribe” http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/Pechanga_Membership_Battle_Los_Angeles.html
Find out more at:
originalpechanga.com
tribalcorruption.com
pechanga.info
Registered Voter
September 16, 2010, 6:23pm (report abuse)
There are many stories of abuse in California's Indian Country, abuses that aren't being addressed.
ACLU won't look at it. Native American Rights Fund claims they don't do "Indian against Indian".
Politicians say the 'can't", when they mean they "Won't".
You CAN do something, you can make sure that tribes are NOT rewarded when they abuse their people.
Pechanga, Redding Rancheria, Picayune Rancheria, Enterprise Rancheria, Robinson Rancheria, just to name a FEW. Any wonder why Mike Thompson requested an oversight hearing on ICRA.
Exercise your outrage for moral rightness.
Do not give MORE power to the abuser.
ACLU won't look at it. Native American Rights Fund claims they don't do "Indian against Indian".
Politicians say the 'can't", when they mean they "Won't".
You CAN do something, you can make sure that tribes are NOT rewarded when they abuse their people.
Pechanga, Redding Rancheria, Picayune Rancheria, Enterprise Rancheria, Robinson Rancheria, just to name a FEW. Any wonder why Mike Thompson requested an oversight hearing on ICRA.
Exercise your outrage for moral rightness.
Do not give MORE power to the abuser.
Outraged voter
September 16, 2010, 6:41pm (report abuse)
Vote No! Have a full hearing and investigation into Pechanga's handeling of Allottees before you take action.
Hunter Family
September 16, 2010, 7:26pm (report abuse)
Please visit this link. It will help you understand the Allottees at Pechanga. Corruption at it's finest.
http://www.originalpechanga.com/2010/09/how-did-pechanga-tribal-council-acted.html
http://www.originalpechanga.com/2010/09/how-did-pechanga-tribal-council-acted.html
Mark M.
September 16, 2010, 7:50pm (report abuse)
Mark Macarro does not care about the Reervation, How can you care for something if you only came arround for the Casino and only live on Pechanga for only 2 years of his entire life. He only cares about the future of Mark Macarro not the Rights people who live there. Just Investigate the Facts
Ray B.
September 16, 2010, 8:09pm (report abuse)
How Will This Bill Effect the Allottee's that have been Disenrolled and still live on Pechanga, Who have no say in anything?
Give All Allottees a Say
September 16, 2010, 8:26pm (report abuse)
Do not reward criminals (pechanga tribal council and their relatives and accomplices) who ignored the Pechanga costitution when they kicked out true Pechanga Indians before elections so they could retain contol over money AND people. Vote no!
Vote NO
September 16, 2010, 10:18pm (report abuse)
The current Chairman of Pechanga said that bringing forth petitions is no way to run a government.
This would be like saying, don't bring forward a legislative bill.
Pechanga has violated many of it's own laws, and has no mechanism in place to assure fairness in these matters. Prior to two government elections the tribal council allowed two extended families to be removed from tribal rolls, thus tainting the democracy of Pechanga. These acts removed 25% of the voting membership. Vote no.
This would be like saying, don't bring forward a legislative bill.
Pechanga has violated many of it's own laws, and has no mechanism in place to assure fairness in these matters. Prior to two government elections the tribal council allowed two extended families to be removed from tribal rolls, thus tainting the democracy of Pechanga. These acts removed 25% of the voting membership. Vote no.
Hunter Family
September 16, 2010, 10:29pm (report abuse)
Vote no it is time to stop Mark Macarro and his criminal Tribal Council, they have stolen from the true Temecula Indians the allottees and he will continue to do so He should not have control over these monies.
John Soto
September 16, 2010, 10:50pm (report abuse)
The question should be "why would you disenroll Allotted Indians and their decedents?" A representative needs to ask this question to the Pechanga Tribal Chairman. Vote no
Gregory Hernandez
September 16, 2010, 11:28pm (report abuse)
Once again the Pechanga tribal council will be allowed to take what belongs to the true people... VOTE AGAINST THIS!!!!!
TOSOBOL
September 17, 2010, 1:33am (report abuse)
WE HAVE TRIED TO BUILD ON THE LAND HANDED DOWN TO US FROM ORIGINAL ALLOTTEE PETRA SINCE EARLLY 1970S ONE EXCUSE AFTER ANOTHER TO BE ON OUR PEOPLES LAND NOW WE ARE BANISHED AND RESRICTED WHILE OTHERS BUILD THERE NOT ALLOWED TO USE PECHANGA ROAD TO ENTER TRIBAL COUNCIL ORDERED THIS VOTE NO!STEP UP CONGRESS JUSTICE FOR ALL
Marilyn Vann
September 17, 2010, 9:06am (report abuse)
The US government has a legal trust obligation to protect property rights of individual Indian peple including those who have been disenrolled in violation of tribal and or federal law. The US Supreme court within the last few years already made it clear that lands alloted to individual indians could not simply be handed over to their tribal government even when the amounts of land are small. So, Congress should heed the Supreme court ruling. The federal government should protect the property rights of both the enrolled and disenrolled Pechanga people (as well as other disenrolled Indian people including freedmen of the 5 tribes); and such disenrolled persons who are property owners should certainly have a private right of action to appeal to the federal government (to the bia,federal courts, etc) in disputes over access and use of their own surface property, water,other mineral rights, etc. If such safeguards cannot be included in this bill, the bill should not be passed.
Sterlingsilver
September 17, 2010, 11:27am (report abuse)
Pechanga should not be given anything by the government until they recognize the right of due process for their own people.
Original Pechanga
September 17, 2010, 12:38pm (report abuse)
Interestingly, Rep. Joe Baca of Rialto, 60 miles from the Pechanga Reservation is a co-sponsor of the bill says that this bill is about JUSTICE. Please, Mr. Baca of Rialto, there needs to be justice for those who have had their civil rights violated:
•Stripped tribal members of their citizenship
•Denied voting rights to members
•Taken away rightful healthcare to seniors
•Blocked access to land on the reservation
•Denied members due process of law, including legal representation, even writing tools.
•Prohibition of practicing religion, including the right to pray at their ancestor's graves.
•Threatened others if they speak out
•Subjected some to ex post facto laws.
•Banishment from reservation at a whim.
•Failure to follow the tribal constitutions (Pechanga)
•Disallow burials where their ancestors were buried
Don't reward Pechanga until they do the right thing. You wanted to boycott AZ for POTENTIAL violations, yet will reward for ACTUAL violations
•Stripped tribal members of their citizenship
•Denied voting rights to members
•Taken away rightful healthcare to seniors
•Blocked access to land on the reservation
•Denied members due process of law, including legal representation, even writing tools.
•Prohibition of practicing religion, including the right to pray at their ancestor's graves.
•Threatened others if they speak out
•Subjected some to ex post facto laws.
•Banishment from reservation at a whim.
•Failure to follow the tribal constitutions (Pechanga)
•Disallow burials where their ancestors were buried
Don't reward Pechanga until they do the right thing. You wanted to boycott AZ for POTENTIAL violations, yet will reward for ACTUAL violations
Phil Cuevas
September 17, 2010, 7:28pm (report abuse)
This is one deal that should not happen. Pechanga is now a tribe that will use this power to take leverage themselves over others that have no control over what happens on the Reservation. They have abused their power before and will continue until someone or something puts them in check.
Christina Noriega
September 18, 2010, 1:05pm (report abuse)
Many will think this is just a membership dispute but this is action against injustice. Please do not think "we can't do anything". YES, you can. You can NOT reward Pechanga for the abuses they have done to their people.
Their actions are despicable. President McKinley gave our family land to Paulina Hunter, as head of household of TEMECULA Indians. Ask Chairman Macarro HOW MANY alottees he represents in the tribe and ask WHICH families they are. ASK how it is a person with NO Pechanga blood is on their council, yet proven Pechanga Temecula people aren't in the tribe. Ask why a family of Tosobol descendents were banished from their OWN LAND, or not allowed to use tribal roads that the US Government PAID FOR.
Ask QUESTIONS and expect answers before you give Mark Macarro, who has LIED to you before, control of $50 MILLION dollars. ASK WHY his wife's lobbying firm has made over 500k from Pechanga. WHO benefits?
Their actions are despicable. President McKinley gave our family land to Paulina Hunter, as head of household of TEMECULA Indians. Ask Chairman Macarro HOW MANY alottees he represents in the tribe and ask WHICH families they are. ASK how it is a person with NO Pechanga blood is on their council, yet proven Pechanga Temecula people aren't in the tribe. Ask why a family of Tosobol descendents were banished from their OWN LAND, or not allowed to use tribal roads that the US Government PAID FOR.
Ask QUESTIONS and expect answers before you give Mark Macarro, who has LIED to you before, control of $50 MILLION dollars. ASK WHY his wife's lobbying firm has made over 500k from Pechanga. WHO benefits?
Kent
September 18, 2010, 2:58pm (report abuse)
To members of congress, this is not an internal tribal matter as our water rights are not trumped by tribal sovereignty. So the tribe cannot say they get jurisdiction over our water and associated funds because we are joint heirs of the land that was set aside for the Temecula tribe and village of Indians in the 1800's.
As I said, the tribe claimed that being of the Temecula Band of Missions Indians was not good enough for tribal membership but this is not a membership issue and they (Pechanga) in effect reaffirmed us as Temeculas in claiming that they are a subset of the Temeculas.
Besides, the executive orders of 1882 and 1893 set aside the Pechanga reservation and the allotments for the Temecula tribe and village of Indians so we, as I said, are joint heirs who have just as much of a right to the water as they do.
As I said, the tribe claimed that being of the Temecula Band of Missions Indians was not good enough for tribal membership but this is not a membership issue and they (Pechanga) in effect reaffirmed us as Temeculas in claiming that they are a subset of the Temeculas.
Besides, the executive orders of 1882 and 1893 set aside the Pechanga reservation and the allotments for the Temecula tribe and village of Indians so we, as I said, are joint heirs who have just as much of a right to the water as they do.
Brent Flotron
September 18, 2010, 3:15pm (report abuse)
vote NO on this bill....let's be fair to ALL. Stop the Abuse by those in power...
GOD OF THUNDER
September 18, 2010, 3:23pm (report abuse)
Of course some people are given land by an elder who dies ,and they are not related to him ,so they have notthing coming,,,,,,but to the others that are indians that were given it by the U.S GOV,yes you are intitled to the money. (BUT AS I SAY) a elder can give land to someone and it does not make you PECHANGA INDIAN!!!!!!
I REST MY CASE
I REST MY CASE
THUNDERHEART
September 18, 2010, 3:31pm (report abuse)
U.S congress is dealing with the wrong people,,,,,,,,,,,,,its the temecula band ,,,,who the hell is the pechanga band ? YOU CAN HAVE TWO TRIBES LIVING AT THE SAME ADDRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kent
September 18, 2010, 4:21pm (report abuse)
Well, the water rights are not just for Pechanga Indians they are for the Temecula Indians which Pechanga claim they are a subset (a smaller group) from. So why can't it be us administering water for Pechanga rather than the other way around?
As we are the bigger group of Indians if in fact there are two seperate groups.
So I guess for now you (Pechangas)keep your membership in your private little country club but your sovereignty does not supercede our rights as land owning allotees with a U.S. patent as Temecula Indians signed by the President of the United States in 1893 as this is not a membership issue.
And where does it say the reservation was set aside for the Pechanga Band?
Nowhere, as it was set aside for the Temecula Band and village of Indians of which we are still a part of.
Congress please vote no!
As we are the bigger group of Indians if in fact there are two seperate groups.
So I guess for now you (Pechangas)keep your membership in your private little country club but your sovereignty does not supercede our rights as land owning allotees with a U.S. patent as Temecula Indians signed by the President of the United States in 1893 as this is not a membership issue.
And where does it say the reservation was set aside for the Pechanga Band?
Nowhere, as it was set aside for the Temecula Band and village of Indians of which we are still a part of.
Congress please vote no!
troy fenton
September 18, 2010, 8:56pm (report abuse)
Insure the trust responsabilty to Allottees vote no, until this is resolved.
who are you
September 19, 2010, 1:01am (report abuse)
How many disenrolled from Pechanga(400) and 49 comments?
Is this a U.S Congress SITE?
The Redman has grown so weak,or red/white or red/mexican or red /whatever,,,,
NO FAMILY PRIDE GO AWAY
Is this a U.S Congress SITE?
The Redman has grown so weak,or red/white or red/mexican or red /whatever,,,,
NO FAMILY PRIDE GO AWAY
John Turningstone
September 19, 2010, 11:51am (report abuse)
This Legislation affects all commerce with any Indian. Vote no, until Allottees have their say on this.
Julie Thompson
September 19, 2010, 11:53am (report abuse)
I've met the current Chairman of this village. Vote no, he has no compassion for these people.
Nancy T.
September 19, 2010, 11:56am (report abuse)
I know many of these people who live at Pechanga. Many lived there before the Casino, had to bring water with them to the reservation. Vote no until their rights are protected.
LEONARD ROLLAND
September 19, 2010, 5:11pm (report abuse)
What's happening at Pechanga is a thorn in the native community. I say vote no from what I've read.
FRAUD
September 19, 2010, 5:43pm (report abuse)
Half the tribe is not even pechanga Indian their just stealing money from the casino,vote no!
POLYSQWALIS
September 19, 2010, 10:57pm (report abuse)
IS there justice for american Indians anywhere I think not, not only is Pechanga tribal council commiting crimes and fraud they are using the UNITED STATES TO EMPOWER THESE CRIMES AGAINST THE TRUE TEMECULA INDIANS AS BACA SAID ITS TIME FOR JUSTICE BUT FOR WHOM Mr Baca BACKS THESE TWO WATER RIGHTS SETTELMENT BILLS AND HE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE AS TO HOW FOOLISH HE IS BEING FOR BACKING THE CORRUPT TRIBAL COUNCIL OF PECHANGA WHAT WILL OUR GOVENMENT DO TO RIGHT THIS WRONG ,CONGRESS VOTE NO ALL INDIANS MUST SEE JUSTICE NOW! I VOTE NO!!!
Mary R.
September 20, 2010, 11:09am (report abuse)
Please don't let them take everything from us! Vote "no" until the wording includes language that protects ALL original allottees and their descendants.
Then, do the right thing....have congressional hearings concerning abuses of sovereignty. Casino Tribes shouldn't be able to abuse their own members because of greed.
Then, do the right thing....have congressional hearings concerning abuses of sovereignty. Casino Tribes shouldn't be able to abuse their own members because of greed.
MaryR
September 20, 2010, 11:33am (report abuse)
This bill does not protect the rights of the disenrolled Temecula Indians.
POLYSQWALIS
September 20, 2010, 12:53pm (report abuse)
PRESIDENT OBAMA YOU ARE RQUESTED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND HAVE CONGRESS CREATE A WATER RIGHTS BILL THAT GIVES RIGHTS TO ALLOTEES THAT ARE TRUE TEMECULA INDIANS NOT THE SUBSET OF PECHANGA THEY WILL ONLY ABUSE POWER MORE BY TAKING THE WATER FROM DISENROLLED ALLOTEES AS THEY HAVE STATED IN OP BLOG DO NOT GIVE THEM THE RIGHTS VOTE NO!!!
Kent
September 20, 2010, 2:02pm (report abuse)
"I hearby certify that the following schedule of allotments (4 sheets) made by me to the Indians residing on the reservation of the Temecula band or village of Indians in Californi, is correct; that each of the persons therein named is entitled to the land alloted him; and that the same were selected in accordance with the provisions of the Act of Congress approved January 12, 1891 (26 State.712)and the instructions of the Commissioner of Indian Affairs, approved by the Secretary of Interior February 3, 1893.
(signed) John F. Carren, U.S. Special Agentg.
Dated at Temecula, Calif.
Sept. 8, 1893
The allotments to the Indians residing on the Temecula Indian Reservation in the State of California as described in the above recommendation of the Commissioner of Indian Affairs arfe hereby approved, and the Commissioner of the General Land Office."
Above is from the official allotment record so water rights are for all Temeculas not just Pechanga tribal members.
(signed) John F. Carren, U.S. Special Agentg.
Dated at Temecula, Calif.
Sept. 8, 1893
The allotments to the Indians residing on the Temecula Indian Reservation in the State of California as described in the above recommendation of the Commissioner of Indian Affairs arfe hereby approved, and the Commissioner of the General Land Office."
Above is from the official allotment record so water rights are for all Temeculas not just Pechanga tribal members.
WarParty
September 20, 2010, 5:07pm (report abuse)
How does this bill benefit the allotted Indians residing on Pechanga? Who represents the allottees that have had their Native Rights stripped? Their voting rights stripped, health care stripped, ejected from tribal schools and forced to attend public schools off the Reservation. Advanced education removed. And you expect this tribe to act in the best interest of these same Original Pechanga Temecula Indian Allottees?
Vote No!
Vote No!
Jason Philip
September 20, 2010, 5:25pm (report abuse)
This is one deal that should not happen. Pechanga is now a tribe that will use this power to leverage themselves over others that have no control over what happens on the Reservation. They have abused their power before and will continue until someone or something puts them in check. VOTE NO.
icra
September 20, 2010, 7:35pm (report abuse)
you can vote yes or no top right of webpage there are 70 comments all voting no but only 55 are counted please make your vote count,and sign oppostion to water settelment in letter to sub-commitee on the original pechanga blog thank you for your support of the Temecula Indians
Be Active
September 20, 2010, 8:02pm (report abuse)
Get ALL your Family (No MATTER HOW DISTANT) to Vote NO!! We need to be active against these fake Pechanga people who by disenrolling true Temecula (Pechanga) Indian have perpetrated this fraud which the BIA has refused to right.
Luiseno
September 20, 2010, 9:55pm (report abuse)
We had a very small group (although one that had wormed there way into power) question our right to be part of the Tribe (after we had brought up questionable activities about enrollment issues).
We were brought before these very same people who had brought the allegations against us. These were the people who were to decide our membership.
How would you feel if the very same people who had accused you were to be those who would sit in judgment over you? This is what happened to us.
Now you would give water rights to these very same people? Oh yeah, I am sure they would treat us justly.
Vote NO on this issue until something can be done to provide protection to the rights of those Indians who still live on the reservation and have been disenrolled.
We were brought before these very same people who had brought the allegations against us. These were the people who were to decide our membership.
How would you feel if the very same people who had accused you were to be those who would sit in judgment over you? This is what happened to us.
Now you would give water rights to these very same people? Oh yeah, I am sure they would treat us justly.
Vote NO on this issue until something can be done to provide protection to the rights of those Indians who still live on the reservation and have been disenrolled.
fly on wall
September 21, 2010, 2:00am (report abuse)
congress must make some move on pechanga thats the only way justice will happen!
have they seen enough?
have they seen enough?
pale rider
September 21, 2010, 2:23am (report abuse)
I hear congress ,is not buying mark macarro's bs ,about the land and membership stuff.
VOTE NO!
VOTE NO!
Name sake
September 21, 2010, 11:18am (report abuse)
Pechaa'a (from pechaq = to drip).
Not Ironic that the Justice will revolve around water. Name place for spring of life. Pechanga was set aside by Executive order and put in trust for Temecula Pechanga people. Vote no! Bring the Temecula Pechanga families back to thier homes.
Not Ironic that the Justice will revolve around water. Name place for spring of life. Pechanga was set aside by Executive order and put in trust for Temecula Pechanga people. Vote no! Bring the Temecula Pechanga families back to thier homes.
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September 21, 2010, 2:28pm (report abuse)
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September 21, 2010, 8:39pm (report abuse)
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civil rights
September 21, 2010, 10:24pm (report abuse)
hunger strike on the stairs of on congress ,,,,,someone must go there and give their life,,,
it must happen
it must happen
civil rights
September 21, 2010, 10:44pm (report abuse)
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